Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Azis Tahir Ajdonati

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The result was keep. henrik•talk 06:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Azis Tahir Ajdonati

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Fails WP:NOTABLE and WP:ONEEVENT. While the Declaration is itself notable, and many of its signatories are as well, it does not appear that this individual is notable for anything other than his signature. I cannot find anything about him in the literature. Since he is already listed at Albanian Declaration of Independence, Delete or Merge. Athenean (talk) 21:08, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete:I also see no need for keeping a one line article.Alexikoua (talk) 05:51, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete One-line stub, not notable.--Ptolion (talk) 08:30, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It is one of the founding fathers of Albania. Extremely important political figure. How would an American like it if some of the founding fathers (signatories of the US Constitution) be "quietly deleted" because the mexicans don't like them. We're presently facing a greek initiative to delete Azis Tahir Ajdonati, Rexhep Demi, Veli Gërra, and Jakup Veseli, all Albanian founding fathers, but all of them should be kept. A stub is such because it will have future expansion.sulmues (talk) --Sulmues 14:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Completely nothing in books and literature. Also, fails WP:Notability. Not every signature is internationally important. --Tadija (talk) 16:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - As a signatory to the Declaration of Independence for a country, there's a presumption that the person is a significant political figure. After all, we don't have random passers-by on a street signing such documents. With this being an historical figure, and sources likely being in Albanian, an Internet based search isn't ideal for finding sources. Sulmues has added some sources, and I would expect these would need to be evaluated. -- Whpq (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:You will of course note that most of those sources are completely inaccessible and hence impossible to evaluate, and those that are (Elsie) do not mention this individual. Update: According to the only source in the article that we can actually check, [1], this individual's signature does not even appear on the Declaration of Independence. Something very fishy is going on. --Athenean (talk) 20:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep WP:POLITICIAN --MW talk contribs 18:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The subject was a member of the Assembly of Vlora which acted as Albania's de facto national legislature immediately following independence, so passes WP:POLITICIAN. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:54, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Azis_Tahir_Ajdonati the Eslie source used in his article page does not mention him at all. The only Azis existing there is one from Gjinokastra [Gjirokastra] by telegram: Azis Efend by telegram.Eslie source used Megistias (talk) 19:59, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. It's irrelevant how many sources (particularly self-published sources by amateur historians) don't mention the subject. What matters is that page 3 of ISBN 9789992731697 and this source do list him as a delegate to the Assembly of Vlora. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:32, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Speaking of amateurs, what is that source but a self-published ultranationalist web-site? Cut and paste the text into google translate to see what I mean. --Athenean (talk) 20:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment.What is this book? page 3 of ISBN 9789992731697 and this is ndryshe.com a commercial site in Albanian. Gazeta Ndryshe, not a source on the issue.Megistias (talk) 20:38, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Since I'm Greek I can't imagine creating a number of one line articles for every single signatory of the Greek independence, whos name is recorded in history only because of that. Also, this kind of canvassing [[2]] isn't a sound approach.Alexikoua (talk) 22:07, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Subject passes WP:POLITICIAN. kedadial 13:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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